Season 11 Episode 15 Peter Train (Pleasure and Happiness in Education)
Pete's doctorate (https://phecanada.ca/professional-learning/journal/pleasure-and-happiness-education-alternative-form-phe-peter-train) leads to a discussion with Rusty about teacher's experimenting, having a more open framework, attention, taking the ego away, sensible lunatics, astonishing yourself and the museum of values... enjoy!